Sunday, 28 August 2016

Joke: Was Muhammad the Kalki Avatar ?

Is Muhammad Predicted in Hindu Scriptures?

Some Comments on the Thoughts of Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhyay
https://archive.org/details/KalkiAvtar-in-English
Various Muslim websites have published an article concerning the Muhammad in the Hindu Scriptures. According to these articles, Hindus believe that there will be a guide and leader, called the Kalki Avatar who will rise in the last days. Many Hindus believe that the Kalki Avatar will be the 10th incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu.

The Vishnu Purana (4.24) says:



"When the practices taught by the Vedas and the institutes of law shall nearly have ceased, and the close of the Kali age shall be nigh, a portion of that divine being who exists of his own spiritual nature in the character of Brahma, and who is the beginning and the end, and who comprehends all things, shall descend upon the earth. He will be born as Kalki in the family of an eminent brahmin of Sambhala village, endowed with the eight superhuman faculties. By his irresistible might he will destroy all the barbarians and thieves, and all whose minds are devoted to iniquity. He will then reestablish righteousness upon earth; and the minds of those who live at the end of the Kali age shall be awakened, and shall be as pellucid as crystal. The men who are thus changed by virtue of that peculiar time shall be as the seeds of human beings, and shall give birth to a race who shall follow the laws of the Krita age, the Age of Purity. As it is said, "When the sun and moon, and the luner asterism Tishya, and the planet Jupiter, are in one mansion, the Krita age shall return."
There are several men who claim to be the Kalki:


2. Members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community believe their founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, to be the Kalki Avatar
3. Members of the Bahá'í Faith have interpreted the prophecies of end time as references to the arrival of their founder Bahá'u'lláh, which has helped growth of the Bahá'í faith in India
4. By some members of the Ahmadiya Muslim Community, Kalki Avatar is believed to be the Islamic Prophet Muhammad; some of the Muslim scholars and a few of the Hindu scholars[24][25] also argued that kalki is mentioned indicating Muhammad in some Hindu scriptures.[25][26]


 However, most of the Hindu scholars widely discarded it as a false theory, claiming that Kalki is supposed to arrive at the end of Kali Yuga, not in the beginning.


The article begins with a logical fallacy of the Appeal to Authority:


One hindu research professor, in his stunning book, claims that description of avatar found in the holy books of hindu religion is in fact that of the prophet muhammad(s.a.w). A little while ago, in India a fact revealing book has been published, which has been the topic of discussions and gossip, allover the country. Amazingly the author of this book is a fair-minded famous professor, who happens to be a Hindu. His name is Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhai and the name of his fact revealing book is "kalki avtar". The author is a hindu Brahmin by caste of Bengali origin. He is a research scholar, a seeker of the truth and a well known pundit in allahabad university. After years of research work, he published this book and other eight pundits have endorsed and certified his points of argument as authentic.According to Hindu belief and their holy books, the description of the guide and the leader, named kalki avatar, fits that of prophet Muhammad(so.a.w)of Arabia. So the Hindus of the whole world should look into this new information not wait any longer for the arrival of kalki avatar (the spirit) as he already arrived 1400 years ago. The author produces following sound evidences from the vedas and other holy books of Hindu religion in support of his claim:-Now we proceed to examine the proof:

//////// Claim 1. In purana (a holy book of Hindus) it is stated that kalki avatar would be the last messenger of god in this world for the guidance of the whole world and all human beings. (according to Islam, prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) is also considered the last messenger of god in this world who was sent to guide all human beings).////////The Vishnu Purana does not say that the Kalki Avatar will be the last messenger. This Purana does say that the Kalki Avatar:
  1. Exists of his own spiritual nature in the character of Brahma
  2. Is the beginning and the end
  3. Comprehends all things
  4. Will be born as Kalki in the family of an eminent Brahmin of Sambhala village
  5. Will be endowed with the eight superhuman faculties
None of these descriptions apply to Muhammad.



///// Claim 2. According to a Hindu religion prediction, the birth of kalki avatar,would take place in an isle which again according to Hindu religion is Arab region./////This is an error in geographical terminology. An isle is an island, Arabia is a peninsula.



///// claim 3. In books of Hindus, the names of the father and the mother of kalki avatar are given as vishnubhagat and sumaani respectively. if we examine the meanings of these names we shall come to a very interesting conclusion: take vishnubhagat vishnu (meaning god) + bhagat(meaning slave)= slave of god Allah (god) + abd (slave in Arabic) = slave of god (Abdullah in Arabic name of Mohammed's father) sumaani = peace or calmness aamenah(Arabic) =peace or calmness (name of mother of prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) /////This is an error in philology. In other words, if the names are literal, then they do not match. A servant of Vishnu would not be equivalent to a servant of Allah, unless one admits that Vishnu is Allah.



//// Claim 4. In religious books of Hindus, it is mentioned that the staple food of kalki avatar would be dates and olives and he would be the most honest and truthful person in the region. Without any doubt the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) is acclaimed to possess these qualities.////The Hadith are a collection of oral traditions which record the most minor details of Muhammad's life and habits. He did enjoy dates, however, there is no mention of him eating olives, although there are some references to olive oil.



//// Claim 5. It is stated in Vedas (holy book of Hindu religion) that the birth of kalki avatar would take place in an honorable clan. This perfectly fits the quraysh where the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) belonged to. (very honorable clan for more details u can read the history of prophet(s.a.w) to see the qualities that they possessed which made them one of the strongest clans). ////No, the Vishnu Purana clearly says "He will be born as Kalki in the family of an eminent brahmin of Sambhala village". Muhammad was not born in Sambhala village, he was born in Arabia, and no one has ever claimed that Muhammad came from a Brahmin family. Additionally, is there any objective reason to believe the Quaraysh to be more honorable than other clans?

//// Claim 6. God would teach kalki avatar through his messenger (angel) in a cave. Allah taught prophet Muhammad (s.a.w), through is messenger angel jibraeel(gabreal) in a cave known as gaar-e-hiraa(a cave in mount hiraa).////The Purana says no such thing. Hindus believe that the Kalki Avatar is a god [Vishnu] who has been reincarnated 10 times and not a mere messenger. Muhammad claimed to be a messenger and would have been grossly offended by the suggestion that he was the incarnation of a Pagan god. There is a huge difference between the concept of Propethood in Islam and the concept of the Avatar in Hinduism and one cannot impose an Islamic meaning on a Hindu title.



//// Claim 7. God would avail kalki avatar with a very speedy horse to ride and travel the whole world and the seven skies. indication of buraaque(horse) and me'raaj (the night when prophet traveled the seven skies). ////Muhammad never traveled the whole world, he was reported to have traveled to the "farthest Masjid", although, according to Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasulullah, Muhammad's wife Aishah claimed that his body never left the bed that night. Incidentally, this story [the Miraj] is very similar to the story of Zoroaster's ascent into the seven heavens on a mythical beast called a "Gryphon".



//// Claim 8. God would also avail kalki avatar with divine help. This was particularly proved in the battle of uhud. ////The Kalki Avatar has, according to the Purana, "irresistible might" and is divine ["character of Brahma"]. Therefore, he does not need divine help, he provides divine help.



//// Claim 9. Another dazzling account given about kalki avatar was that he would be born on the 12th of a month. whereas the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) was born on the 12th of the rabiul awwal (Islamic calendar).////This assumes that Hindus used the same calendar as Muslims. There is also disagreement among Muslims scholars concerning exactly when Muhammad was born. In fact, some Islamic sources claim that Muhammad's birthday (Mawlid) was first celebrated 3 centuries after the death of Muhammad.



//// Claim 10. Kalki avatar would be an excellent horse rider and a swordsman. The author here draws the attention of Hindus that the real days of horses and swords have gone and the present time is of guns and missiles. so it would be foolish on the part of those who still expect kalki avatar, who should be an excellent rider and swordsman to come. in fact, the divine book, holy qur'aan contains qualities and signs attributed to kalki avatar reflecting on the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w). ////Nearly every hero in the ancient world used swords and horses, therefore, this criteria doesn't point out anyone in particular. However, some Hindus believe that the Kalki Avatar will be a machine-man, who will come to earth on a white horse with a blazing sword in his hands. This future incarnation of Vishnu will appear at the end of Kali Yuga (evil eon) and would solve the problem of Adharma (unrighteousness). He will punish all evil people in this world, destroy the world, and recreate a golden age of peace and harmony. Clearly, Muhammad did none of these things.

///// Editor Note :- Salaamun Alkum Article does not said that Hindu religion is authentic religion . It's said that even Hindus they Know about the last Prophet and did not excepted it is their fault Quran said . They know this Prophet like they know their sons. All Prophet predicted for the last prophet even the new and old Testament of Bible In present condition you can find about the last Prophet of Islam. So in the Day of Judgment they can't deny the Fact that they don't know who was the last Prophet./////If the author does not believe that Hinduism is an "authentic" religion, why does he appeal to Hindu scriptures? It is intellectually dangerous for Muslims to draw conclusions concerning what they believe to be the truth from sources they consider to be of questionable veracity. An Avatar is a reincarnation of a god - an idea that Muhammad would have immediately condemned as shirk, the most serious of all sins. In addition to the many factual flaws in this argument, there is another very serious problem.


The largest issue here is the moral and ethical problems associated with this type of polemic. This argument is an "outwitting" which essentially says that "the ways justify the means". In other words, Hindus should believe something, ... anything about Muhammad. Why is this a problem?

Suppose that a Hindu accepts the idea that Muhammad was the Kalki Avatar, or 10th reincarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu, would he or she be a Muslim? Or, taking this scenario a little further, suppose a large number of Hindus adopted this idea, how would they be viewed by the Ummah (Muslim Community)? Would these people be considered Muslim or would they be another heterodox sect like the Nation of IslamAhmadis, Qadianis, or Bahá'ís - and would they be mistreatedpersecuted, and killed as some of these groups were/are for their beliefs?

#Manish Arya (With Helper Ex- muslim Faishal Ahmed)
http://leftislam2.blogspot.in/

Analysis Of Ved-Quran PART-1


नमस्कार चर्चा-ए-दीन-इस्लाम में आपका स्वागत है।
उभरते बेतुकी प्रश्न गजरते उत्तर भाग -१

१) प्रश्न - "क़ुरान में जो सब भी है वो ईश्वरीय ज्ञान है -"सामान्य इंसान क़ुरान नहीं लिख सकता" . . .
जवाब :- जनाब , इस बात को जान्ने के लिए पहले आपको अपना इल्म बढ़ाना होगा।
सबसे पहले क़ुरान में अल्लाह का झूठ देखिये जो की पैगम्बर मोहम्मद के बारे में कई जगह  कहा गया -

अल्लाह ने अनपढ़ ही बनाया ?
झूठ १ :कुरान-“और उसी अल्लाह ने अनपढ़ लोगों के बीच में एक अनपढ़ रसूल को उठाया जो हमारी आयतें सुनाता है “सूरा – जुमुआ 62 :2
झूठ २ :“जो लोग उस अनपढ़ रसूल के पीछे चलते हैं , जो न लिख सकता है और न पढ़ सकता है , तो पायेंगे कि उसकी बातें तौरैत और इंजील से प्रमाणित होती हैं “सूरा -अल आराफ 7 :157
झूठ ३: “हे रसूल न तुम कोई किताब लिख सकते हो और न पढ़ सकते हो . यदि ऐसा होता तो लोग तुम पर शक करते “सूरा -अनकबूत 29 :49


अब देखिये सच्चाई :-Sahih Bukhari-Volume 3, Book 49, Number 863

...... तब रसूल ने अली से कागज लिया और खुद लिख दिया ” मिन मुहम्मद बिन अब्दुल्लाह من محمد بن عبد الله  ” यानि अब्दुल्लाह के बेटे मुहम्मद की तरफ से यह शर्तें स्वीकार की जाती हैं “


यहाँ देखिये जब पैगम्बर मोहम्मद को धमकाया गया की हमको तुम्हारा ही "sign" चाहिए इस शर्त पत्र पर - "तब पैगम्बर मोहम्मद जो की तथाकथित अनपढ़ था , उसको पढ़ना लिखना सब आ गया। 

###अब आते है झूठे क़ुरान के दूसरे पहलुओ पर - "क़ुरान ईश्वरकृत है या मोहम्मदकृत"?
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QURAN या-सीन (Ya-Sin):39 - और रहा चन्द्रमा, तो उसकी नियति हमने मंज़िलों के क्रम में रखी, यहाँ तक कि वह फिर खजूर की पूरानी टेढ़ी टहनी के सदृश हो जाता है।
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कुरान की इस आयत को देखिये - मुस्लिम विद्वान कुरान का हिंदी या इंग्लिश भाष्य कठिन जान-बुझ के करते है की लोगो को पूरी आयत ठीक से समझ न आये। क्या ये ईश्वर का ज्ञान है ?

यहाँ चंद्रमा अपना गोलाकार बदल के पतली खजूर की पुरानी टेढ़ी टहनी सा हो रहा। क्या चाँद अपना आकार बदलता है ? नहीं , बिलकुल भी नहीं "ये सूर्य के प्रकाश का चाँद पर पड़ने पर हमें चाँद का आकार बदलता दिखता " चाँद अपना आकार में ही रहता , ये सूर्य का प्रकाश है जिसके कारन १५-१५ दिन में कभी अमावस्या तो कभी पूर्णिमा होता रहता ।
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पर ये ज्ञान अरब की धरती पर बैठने वाले मोहम्मद को नहीं पता था। इसीलिए मोहम्मद ने चाँद का ही आकार बदल दिया।  अगर ये किसी ईश्वर का ज्ञान होता तो वो " ऐसी बात नहीं करता की लोगो को ऐसा दिखता या वैसा दिखता ? 

अरे , जब परमेश्वर को सच्चाई पता है "तो वो अपना ज्ञान को क़ुरान में देना चाहिए था की सूर्य का प्रकाश 
१५ -१५ दिन के अंतराल में कभी चाँद पर पूरा पड़ता या आधा पड़ता इसीलिए चाँद का आकार बदलते हुआ प्रतीत होता। चाँद गोल ही है। पर अल्लाह ने इस बात को गलत भी नहीं कहाँ आगे किसी आयत में और न ही सच्चाई बताया की ऐसा क्यों प्रतीत होता।

सीधे शब्दो में की अल्लाह को खुद इल्म नहीं की १५-१५ दिन में चाँद का आकार बदला बदला सा क्यों लगता। क्योकि अल्लाह "इस सृष्टि का रचनाकर नहीं है" . क़ुरान में वही सब है जो भी धरती पर बैठ एक साधारण इंसान सोच सकता। क़ुरान में अल्लाह काल्पनिक  है - कुरान 'पैगम्बर मोहम्मद' की खुद की रचना है। और पैगम्बर मोहम्मद को अन्तरिक्ष विज्ञान का कोई ज्ञान नहीं था।
हिन्दू पंचांग के अनुसार - माह के 30 दिन को चन्द्र कला के आधार पर 15-15 दिन के 2 पक्षों में बांटा गया है- शुक्ल पक्ष और कृष्ण पक्ष। शुक्ल पक्ष के अंतिम दिन को पूर्णिमा कहते हैं और कृष्ण पक्ष के अंतिम दिन को अमावस्या।


यदि शुरुआत से गिनें तो 30 तिथियों के नाम निम्न हैं- पूर्णिमा (पूरनमासी), प्रतिपदा (पड़वा), द्वितीया (दूज), तृतीया (तीज), चतुर्थी (चौथ), पंचमी (पंचमी), षष्ठी (छठ), सप्तमी (सातम), अष्टमी (आठम), नवमी (नौमी), दशमी (दसम), एकादशी (ग्यारस), द्वादशी (बारस), त्रयोदशी (तेरस), चतुर्दशी (चौदस) और अमावस्या (अमावस)।

ये सब ज्ञान तो दूर की बात है "क़ुरान का अल्लाह को लगता है की चाँद का खुद का रौशनी है" . अरब की धरती पे बैठ के मोहम्मद को क्या सबको ऐसा लग सकता की चाँद का खुद का प्रकाश होता है। ये देखिये कुरानिक ज्ञान। 

Quran नूह (Nuh):16 - "और उनमें चन्द्रमा को प्रकाश और सूर्य को प्रदीप बनाया ?
अब इस्लामिक विद्वान लोग बेतुकी टिपण्णी करता की यहाँ पे चाँद के लिए "नूर" जो आया है उसका मतलब reflection of light से है ? "नूर तो कई जगह अल्लाह के लिए भी आया है देख लीजिये "Quran 24:35" तो हम कहे की अल्लाह भी असलियत में नहीं ये भी सूर्य का reflection of light है ?

अरबी व्याकरण में reflection of light को  (in`ikaas) कहते है जो की कुरान की आयत में नहीं है , नूर का अर्थ सिर्फ रोशनी है। अब और भी स्पष्ट प्रमाण देता हूँ -

The moon has light
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "The sun and the moon will be folded up deprived of their light on the Day of Resurrection."  {Sahih Bukhari 4:54:422}
Ref Link -- http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/054-sbt.php#004.054.422

(हिंदी रूपांतरण) अबु हुरैरा की रिवायत है की : पैगम्बर (मोहम्मद) ने कहा की 'कयामत के दिन सूर्य और चंद्रमा को मोड़/लपेट लिया जाएगा और सबको (their light सूर्य और चंद्र का रौशनी) से वंछित कर दिया जाएगा।

आप ही सोचिये जिस शिक्षक को abcd का भी ज्ञान नहीं "वो English lecturer बन सकता" ?
नहीं बन सकता। वैसे ही अल्लाह जबरदस्ती सृष्टि रचना  का दावा कर रहा। 



अब देखिये ईश्वरीय/ओपुरुषेय ज्ञान वेद :-

वेद का ज्ञान इस धरती पर तब आया जब आदि सृष्टि में मनुष्य आया और वो ज्ञान पाने के लिए सक्षम हो पाया।

वेद का अर्थ ज्ञान है तो इसका किताब /कॉपी या कागज पर आने की बात बेतुकी है। जब कागज नहीं था वेद तब भी था। हाँ कुछ इतिहासकार बोलते है "की वेद ३००० साल पुराना है , कुछ कहते नहीं ४००० साल पुराना है तो कुछ कहते की नहीं ५००० साल पुराना होगा।

हो सकता की ५००० साल पहले की कोई कागज़ में ईश्वरीय ज्ञान को लिखा गया होगा।  पर इससे ये साबित नहीं होता की वेद सिर्फ ५००० साल पुराना ही है। वेद का ज्ञान अगर मनुष्यकृत होता तो फिर वेद का ईश्वरीय होने का और आदि सृष्टि में आने का दावा झूठा प्रतीत होगा।

चलिए क़ुरान का अज्ञान तो देख ही चुके अब वेद का इसी टॉपिक पर ज्ञान देखे।
क्या क़ुरान की तरह वेद भी झूठी या मनुष्यकृत है ?

जवाब , वेद मनुष्यकृत बिलकुल भी नहीं हो सकती -
वैसे तो सैकड़ो प्रमाण मैं दे सकता - पर हमलोग क़ुरान और वेद को जांच रहे - तो इसी टॉपिक पर दूंगा।
बाकी का आगे भी देता रहूँगा। 

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ECLIPSE
Rig Veda 5.40.5“O Sun! When you are blocked by the one whom you gifted your own light (moon), then earth gets scared by sudden darkness.”

(हिंदी रूपांतरण शार्ट में) " जब सूर्य और पृथ्वी के ठीक बीच चंद्र आ जाती , तब {(चुकी चंद्र का खुद का  प्रकाश नहीं है -सूर्य का ही प्रकाश चंद्र पर आती देखे Rig Veda 1.84.15 & Rig Veda 10.85.9)} पृथ्वी पर अचानक अँधेरा छा जाता। 

LIGHT OF MOON

Rig Veda 1.84.15“The moving moon always receives a ray of light from sun”

(हिंदी रूपांतरण ) घूमता हुआ चाँद हमेसा सूर्य से प्रकाशवान होता। 


Rig Veda 10.85.9“Moon decided to marry. Day and Night attended its wedding. And sun gifted his daughter “Sun ray” to Moon.”

(ये अलंकार में है 'हिंदी रूपांतरण ) सूर्य अपना रौशनी चाँद को देता है। 

वेद वैदिक संस्कृत में भी अलंकृत है - इसीलिए वेदों को जटिल कहाँ जाता। सामान्य लोग जैसे islamic Scholar सब के पास वैदिक कोष का ज्ञान नहीं होता। इसीलिए उन्हें वेद समझ नहीं आती। 



वेद ही ईश्वरीय है 'क़ुरान सिर्फ मोहम्मद की बेतुकी ज्ञान है'

नमस्कार !!!
वेद और क़ुरान की अगले ब्लॉग की प्रतीक्षा करे। 

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